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How does Epstein relate to transphobia? Legitimate question, I only followed the case insofar as that child sex trafficker’s guilt and the guilt of the people who did business with him was apparent.

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He was friends with the guy who ran 4chan and started /pol/ and “trans agenda” concept.

https://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/42550413

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I think it’s a lot more fucked up than that because both he and 4chan seem to like ladyboys. Like look at what they’re talking about while Epstein is asking for more trans-hate articles

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Trivers continued to make dehumanizing comments about trans women, including, “if you as a heterosexual male and have a minor desire to suck a dick then what better organism to do it with than a transsexual? ‘she’ will smell like a woman, be softer and more hairless like a woman and may, to some degree, actually resemble one morphologically — leaving the dick for you to enjoy in a feminine setting.”

https://www.them.us/story/jeffrey-epstein-robert-trivers-transgender-research-emails

From what I remember the same dehumanising-sexualising message was pretty prevalent on 4chan. IMO it’s not that unlikely that it’s a part of an overall plan to feminise young boys. I’ve seen some theories on that, but so far no solid proof.

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what is this supposed to mean

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Epstein was friends with the guy who ran 4chan and started /pol/ and “trans agenda” concept.

https://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/42550413

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Oh yeah I read about that. Doing our man Théoden dirty here imo. Trust, transphobia in the US has a longer and dirtier history than that, and transphobes aren’t just some pedos’ catspaw

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Doing our man Théoden dirty here imo.

Not at all! The purpose of the Grima & Théoden subplot was to illustrate how nobody is immune to deception and propaganda. We need working class conservatives to wake up and realize they’ve been lied to.

Meanwhile I think you’re conflating homophobia with transphobia. Heck they were called “shemales” and sex changes until Bruce Jenner got one. Nobody cared, there were no “trans” or “cis” like there is now. People were waaay too busy being homophobic and insecure about their orientation to care about what was generally considered a very niche kink.

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The purpose of the Grima & Théoden subplot was to illustrate how nobody is immune to deception and propaganda. We need working class conservatives to wake up and realize they’ve been lied to.

Coming at it from this angle I don’t disagree, but I also don’t think it addresses people’s often conscious buying-in to a hierarchical system of oppression which can stem from personal and preexisting prejudices. Not every transphobe or racist is a lost sheep. Many know exactly what they’re doing. They’re the ones who push the propaganda the hardest, after all. Even Grima sheds a tear when he sees what Saruman is doing will be the end of man.

Meanwhile I think you’re conflating homophobia with transphobia.

Not at all. We were curiosities, aberrations. The word “shemale” says it all. Ever read about John Money?

Back in the day, gender affirming treatment was strictly gatekept by the medical community. Trans women were expected to show up in “crossdress” to prove their need for treatment. They needed letters from mental health professionals. They were directed after surgery/treatment to never reveal to anyone their past life as a man.

We were invisible because these people decided we should be.

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